Talk:Engelsism

Deletion discussion

• Engelsism is a real ideology. You'll see that when people all across the world are writing about it!/Bosse

The following articles are proposed for deletion.

1. Engelsist - original contents were Engelsist = a follower of Engelsism. (already deleted by User:Schneelocke)

• • Was just recreated by same author, and again changed the dictionary dfinition to be a redirect to Engelsism

1. Engelsism - now redirected to Marxism
2. OA - OA is a Swedish author. He is the creater of the Engelsism. A is the leader of the Revolutionary Engelsist Society in Sweden.
3. JN - JN is a socialist who lives in Linköping in Sweden. He is one of the creators of Engelsism.
4. JJ - JJ is a political person who lives in Linköping in Sweden. J is strongly against homosexual people, even if he is a member of the Engelsist movement. The Engelsists aren't against homosexuals at all.
5. Engelsia, a revolutionary story

• OA, Engelsism and Engelsist - seems to be nonsense, no google hits (except for Engelsism being kind of a synonym for Marxism). andy 13:48, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • At least keep the Engelsism article. The names Engels and Marx are spoken in conjunction often, so the word should be fairly familiar (if not this A personality). Wiwaxia 18:29, 8 Sep 2003 (UTC)
    • But then Engelsism should be a redirect to Marxism - I will make it that way now. andy 05:20, 9 Sep 2003 (EDT)
  • Engelsism comes from Friedrich Engels! And there are google hits about OA, but not in English! (I can't read them!) wshun 05:42, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
• OA, Engelsism and Engelsist are not nonsense. "Engelsism" is not a recognized synonym for Marxism, even if you found some Google-searchs that thought so. Engelsism is a newly created ideology here in Sweden, and OA, JJ and JN are the original creators of it. The word "Engelsism" was chosen because no other ideology was called so. www.Engelsism.tk did told me something about Engelsism, but it is in Swedish... Maybe you can look at the Swedish Wikipedia-page for more information? Regards! /EZ@hotbrev.com]] 12:27, 10 Sep 2003 (GMT+1)
  • Delete both. The only hits I can find for OA are for a musician who posts tabs! Either way, none of these people deserve their own article yet. They should overthrow at least one government before we bother with them, IMHO. Can that be a new rule? :) Paige 23:08, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC) (Is there an article on Paigism yet?)

User:148.136.141.172 seems to have removed the redirects. Also left the following message on Wikipedia talk:Deletion log;

One question: Why was the keywords "engelsism", "engelsist" and "OA" deleted? I thought they were interresting? And I know that they were true too. Please contact me, ez@hotbrev.com . /E ----

• JN, Engelsism - failed Google test. -- Schnee 22:26, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • Don't forget JJ, too, which was created by the same user at the same time, and has nothing pointing to now it that Engelsism is a redirect! Paige 22:51, 10 Sep 2003 (UTC)

• All articles about Engelsism, Engelsists, OA, JN and JJ are true! Even if they "didn't overthrow any government"!!! Why don't you believe it? www.engelsism.tk Learn Swedish!!! /Swede
  • It isn't that we don't believe any part of it. I personally do not know if it is true or not, however, even if it is all 100% true, the real question is whether or not these people/terms deserve their own articles here. There simply does not seem to be enough information to warrant it. Have there been any news stories? Have they participated in any way in recent events? If not, then it sort of presents a skewed perspective by making it look as though this is a political force in Sweden. Is there any info on the web other than at www.engelsism.tk? That would at least provide corraboration. However, I'd also like to suggest that if they are noteworthy enough to be here, then we need to write articles with more substantial content. What is their platform, beleif system, intent, organized structure, etc.? How many members do they have now? AND we should be able to cite sources for these facts. I do not think that one needs to know Swedish in order to know that creating five articles, which only link to eachother, and contain no other facts than names, is fairly un-encyclopedic. Articles here should be informative. I was only joking about the overthrowing of governments yesterday, and no offense was intended, but I do think that these articles are perfect candidates for deletion unless more information and/or links can be provided. Perhaps these pages could be added to the Swedish project, and then maybe other users could add info to them and then some nice folks could translate them back into English and make new pages here for these. Paige 15:21, 11 Sep 2003 (UTC)

• Hi! Good point, indeed. But I think the Swedish Wikipedia-page's already got information about the platform and other stuff about Engelsism. And I'm not so good at English, so I will not translate all of it. And I think that Engelsism is a very newly created ideology, and because of that you cannot find any facts about it, at Google. But try to find someone who can translate the facts at http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engelsism to English... /Swedeman
  • I doubt that an essay which was never edited by anyone but you (see the version history there), and now posted as Engelsia, a revolutionary story is a good proof that this idealogy is more then just the idea of a few. andy 11:05, 15 Sep 2003 (UTC)
  • I never said it wasn't the idea of a few. The Engelsist movement is very small, but it does still exist!
  • I agree. Engelsism does exist here in Sweden./Göran
  • Why don't you agree to that Engelsism does exist! (148.136.141.173)

cf Yoism - see talk:Yoism. Martin 22:28, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

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How come that the same who supports Engelsism here with varying names (Göran, Erik, Swede) but always anonymously is always the same who recreates the articles? And with an IP from L, where the two founders of the ideology come from? To me it seems like you want to give your own two-person ideology a push by adding it to this place, a kind of self-promotion. andy 15:45, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

• • One question: Why isn't every IP-number who writes about Engelsism from L or Sweden then?

Seriously. I think it has become obvious -- to everyone except the one or two anonymous users who keep recreating them -- that these articles are nonsense. (I've got to say that leaving nonsense in an encyclopedia sounds like it will only make the project look foolish.) Is it possible for all of these to be made into redirects and then protected? Is that allowed? -- Paige 21:17, 17 Sep 2003 (UTC)

made to redirects to where? Martin 10:21, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

Perhaps to the Wikipedia:Bad jokes and other deleted nonsense pages? :) Either way, if the policy is that these can be "shot on sight" from now on, that's a much better solution; I just didn't know that was a policy. Paige 16:13, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

• • Do that!

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Engelsism is no longer a redirect. But both the web addresses it gives seem to be useless. This seems pretty unverifiable. Delete. Evercat 12:55, 18 Sep 2003 (UTC)

According to our deletion policy, as a recreation of previously deleted content, that didn't go through wikipedia:votes for undeletion, this can be deleted on sight. Martin 10:18, 19 Sep 2003 (UTC)

non-deletion discussion

(stuff not related to deletion here)

Engels being only Marx's side-kick

It may come as a surprise to a newcomer to the Left that "Marxism", after Karl Marx, is not called "Engelsism", after one of the writers of the Manifesto of the Communist Party, Friedrich Engels. However, he states in a preface to one edition: "I consider myself bound to state that the fundamental proposition which forms its nucleus belongs to Marx". Hence it was actualy all Marx's idea.