Talk:ASA

Opening comments

Would it not make sense to combine this page with ASA? three links could easily be incorporated into the ASA disambiguation page. Or move ASA to here, either would work.70.49.36.110 23:23, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)

Indeed. However, it may be too onerous to find all the links into this page and to update them. As well, in the future people may end up re-creating this page... Instead, I chose to keep both pages, using ASA for the related initialisms and Asa for names. ppblais 03:26, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

The article is too much US-centric! Do you think that all the things in the world are divided into 2 groups: "US" and "non-US"? Why don't you use "UK" and "non-UK" or "China" and "non-China" ? Needs to be rewritten. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.169.197.100 (talk) 10:34, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Exactly. I came to this talk page to make precisely that point, but I see that you have already done so eloquently. I'll fix it. Phil Bridger (talk) 14:11, 31 May 2008 (UTC)

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was do not move. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 22:01, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

• Request move of this page to "ASA (disambiguation)".

This will allow "ASA" to redirect to "Aspirin". Also request a disamb. marker back to "ASA (disambiguation)" for other uses. ASA is well understood throughout much of the world to refer to aspirin (acetylsalicylic acid), while the other uses of ASA are not nearly as well known. Facts707 (talk) 20:40, 10 April 2009 (UTC)

• Oppose. People call the analgesic "Aspirin" here in England. Anthony Appleyard (talk) 20:52, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
  • The proposed move will only affect people searching for "ASA". People searching for "Aspirin" will continue to go straight to the Aspirin article.Facts707 (talk) 20:56, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
    • I updated the request wording slightly so that the proposed secondary redirect will have "ASA" going to "Aspirin" (instead of indirectly through the acet... acid). This should make things a little clearer and less controversial. Thanks for your comment A.A. Facts707 (talk) 21:04, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
      • There was a discussion of moving Aspirin to Acetylsalicylic acid 5 months ago, which was rejected. This seems to be a very reasonable request. It will not affect the Aspirin article, only the ASA redirect. Even though to a photographer, ASA has only one meaning. However, there aren't as many photographers in the world as take ASA. Aspirin got 186,000 page views last month, film speed only 26,000, but of course how many actual photographers would ever need to look up ASA? Not many. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 21:45, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Far too many ambiguous uses and no convincing evidence that there is primary topic. older ≠ wiser 22:42, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose Over 50 different meanings for ASA. No evidence presented that ASA primarily refers to aspirin. Tassedethe (talk) 23:11, 10 April 2009 (UTC)
  • Aspirin 200,903
  • American Samoa 50,405
  • Congruence (geometry) 40,022
  • Film speed 25,928
  • Alaska Airlines 18,176
  • American National Standards Institute 12,931
  • ASA score 6,774
  • Atlantic Southeast Airlines 5,218
  • American Heart Association 4,395
  • Football Federation Australia 3,275
  • Anglo-Saxon economy 2,751
  • Society of Actuaries 2,527
  • Society of Actuaries 2,527
  • Advertising Standards Authority 2,406
  • Alpha Sigma Alpha 2,073
  • United States Army Security Agency 1,252
  • American Sociological Association 1,155
  • Accessible surface area 1,127
  • American Speed Association 1,089
  • Auditory scene analysis 1,002
  • ASA carriage control characters 729
  • Adaptive simulated annealing 722
  • American Statistical Association 686
  • Acoustical Society of America 677
  • ASA (automobile) 677
  • Allmennaksjeselskap 651
  • Americans for Safe Access 601
  • Atlético Sport Aviação 594
  • American Student Assistance 542
  • American Society of Anesthesiologists 532
  • American Scientific Affiliation 517
  • Autism Society of America 498
  • Austrian Service Abroad 402
  • Amateur Softball Association 376
  • Agremiação Sportiva Arapiraquense 352
  • Anti-Soviet agitation 317
  • American Staffing Association 259
  • Association for Social Advancement 258
  • Aeropuertos y Servicios Auxiliares 249
  • Australian Society of Authors 233
  • British Swimming 220
  • Adaptive Security Appliance 218
  • Astronomical Society of Australia 199
  • Air Services Agreement 197
  • American Society of Agronomy 190
  • ASA Aluminium Body 186
  • African Studies Association 184
  • Albany Students' Association 164
  • Aid to Southeast Asia 162
  • Association of Southeast Asia 150
  • American Sailing Association 146
  • American Society of Appraisers 137
  • Australian String Academy 112
  • Adult Soccer Association 96
  • Alexander-Smith Academy 93
  • Aviation Supplies and Academics, Inc. 84
  • Airline Superintendents Association 74
  • Advanced surface ablation 57
  • American Seniors Association 0
• The above are page views for March 2009.[1] Looks like a primary usage to me. 199.125.109.126 (talk) 01:01, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
  • The data is rather meaningless as it shows nothing about what people expect at "ASA". older ≠ wiser 01:12, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
    • Note 1: American Samoa's ISO 3166-1 two-letter code is "AS". It's 3 letter code is "ASM".
    • Note 2: ASA in geometry means "Angle-Side-Angle" and can be used to determine if two triangles are congruent.
    • Note 3: The term "ASA" for film speed was supplanted by "ISO" in 1987 (eg: "ISO 100").
    • Note 4: "ASA" for Alaska Airlines refers only to its ICAO code, not the commonly used IATA code.
    • Note 5: The American National Standards Institute has not been called "ASA" since 1966.
    • Thus the ranking of the other 5 of the top 6 are likely not being driven by "ASA". Facts707 (talk) 14:17, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
      • The data is nonetheless still entirely meaningless for determining what people might expect by searching for "ASA". A somewhat more meaningful measure: try Googling "ASA". Neither aspirin nor acetylsalicylic acid appear in the top 100 hits! While I'll be the first to concede that Google is not definitive, that is not a very good showing for a subject claiming to be primary topic for a term.

• Support most common usage is aspirin, most commonly recognized usage is aspirin. 70.29.213.241 (talk) 07:34, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose - as Tassedethe, no evidence that ASA is primarily used to refer to aspirin. In my experience it is not. Knepflerle (talk) 15:00, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
• WP guideline WP:PRIMARYTOPIC is the guideline that should be applied here. It says <quote>When there is a well-known primary topic for an ambiguous term, name or phrase, much more used than any other topic covered in Wikipedia to which the same word(s) may also refer (significantly more commonly searched for and read than other meanings), then that term or phrase should either be used for the title of the article on that topic or redirect to that article.</quote> I would think "significantly more" would be over 50% overall and 15 points ahead of the runner-up; or 35-50% overall and 20 points ahead. (Fictious eg: 35% for "orange the fruit" and 10% for "orange the color" would give "orange the fruit" the redirect for "orange".) In this case, ~60% of the market and 35 points ahead of the runner-up is "significantly more". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.50.82.130 (talk) 13:37, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose. ASA is ambiguous and there is clearly no primary use. Just because aspirin may in fact be acetylsalicylic acid which can also be know as ASA is not a reason to change this into a redirect. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:13, 15 April 2009 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.