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Shira Klein (June 14, 2023). "The shocking truth about Wikipedia's Holocaust disinformation". The Forward. Retrieved June 16, 2023. A similar disinformation campaign is taking place in Wikipedia's articles on Native American history, where influential editors misrepresent sources to the effect of erasing Native history and whitewashing American settler colonial violence. The Wikipedia article on Andrew Jackson, plagued by such manipulations, attracts thousands of readers a day.
Kyle Keeler (2023-2-23). "How Wikipedia Erases Indigenous History". Slate. Retrieved 2023-12-1. A behind-the-scenes battle raged at Wikipedia last fall. The conflict stretched over three months and three separate pages, tallying more than 40,000 words. It began in August, when editor FinnV3 went to the "talk" page (where revisions are discussed by editors) for Andrew Jackson, the seventh president of the United States. FinnV3 claimed that Andrew Jackson's Indian Removal Act was ethnic cleansing and that the page needed to reflect that reality, rather than calling Jackson's policy "forced removal." According to FinnV3, the phrase forced removal presented a sanitized, unrepresentative view of history that did not match scholarship. Other users disagreed. Display name 99, who has added the second most information to the page (20,085 characters—in addition to writing nearly half of U.S. President John Adams' page), argued that Jackson "wanted the Indians to be treated well" and that although his decision to remove Native peoples was "tragic," it was "necessary." After months of back and forth, "ethnic cleansing" was added to the article in October.{{cite news}}: Check date values in: |access-date= and |date= (help)
There's an image from that time in that section. The mezzotint is from a daguerreotype taken about 2 months before Jackson died. There are details with a link to a digitized copy of the daguerreotype on the image's Wikimedia Common's page. Wtfiv (talk) 02:09, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I was talking abut a different. Just google "photograph of Andrew Jackson". I can't show it here because I don't "own" the image. It might be a fake because I've only seen it on a few sites, but it looks like Andrew Jackson, but very old looking.
When I google "photograph of Andrew Jackson", I get a dozen images, not all of which are photographs. Is it one where he is wearing glasses?
The one where he is wearing glasses was interesting to me, because I've seen it in a print biography of Jackson. When I search Wikimedia Commons for "Andrew Jackson", I don't see it, but I'm sure that we can upload it to the Commons from wherever it is, because any photo that old must be in the public domain.
I'm a little leery of adding another photo of the old Andrew Jackson to the article, though, because he looked kind of bad by then. Unless there is some overriding historical interest, one photograph of him in that section of the article is enough. Bruce leverett (talk) 02:35, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's the one with the glasses. His face is very wrinkled and he appears to be frowning. I don't know if it's a real photograph of him. I just thought it would be cool to add because there's something about that image that just feels very interesting, it's hard to explain.
This one was chosen when the article was first put through the Featured Article process. There's two other daguerreotypes taken circa 1844-1845, where he is wearing glasses. Adding them has been discussed before. The daguerreotypes showing him wearing glasses makes his eyes difficult to see. This certainly creates a marked psychological effect on many viewers. One photograph in this section seems enough though, as the article is already crowded with images. As per Bruce leverett's comment, one seems enough as this wasn't a time of Jackson's major activity. The one chosen has the strength of allowing readers to compare what older Jackson looks like compared to younger Jackson. (Only one of the paintings show him with glasses (Whiteside Earl's 1830-1832 portrait), and that one shows his eyes too. Imagine the effect the painting would have it made his eyes difficult to see. It too would be interesting.) Wtfiv (talk) 17:07, 3 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I assume this is the daguerreotype you guys are talking about:
Andrew Jackson photographed at age 78.
It's an amazing image. Besides his incredibly aged face, I find the extra lens on each of the eyeglass stems or temples, presumably for peripheral vision correction, to be very unusual and interesting. Regarding his face, he appears to be careworn and world-weary, and seems to be suffering. I hope he suffered greatly, given the suffering and devastation he visited on Native peoples of this country, including some of my ancestors. Cursed be his name.
About his eyes, it's hard to be sure, but I think I can see enough of his right eye to believe that he looks haunted, as well he should have been. I hope the spirits of all those whose deaths he caused haunted him night and day, and that his body was racked with pain. Carlstak (talk) 04:16, 4 November 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The page currently claims: “Jackson's father died at the age of 29 in a logging accident while clearing land in February 1767, three weeks before his son Andrew was born.” The claim that Jackson’s father died in a logging accident is not substantiated. The source provided is Robert Nowlan’s The American Presidents, Washington to Tyler: What They Did, What They Said, What Was Said About Them, with Full Source Notes. Nowlan’s source for this claim is something called “‘Jackson’s Military Career,’ oppapers.com/essays/Jacksons-Military-Career,” attributed to no one. oppapers.com is not operational, but the URL suggests that it was a database of papers for high school students to plagiarize. If you Google “‘jackson’s military career’ logging accident,” the first hit is along these lines: https://www.ipl.org/essay/Andrew-Jacksons-Military-Career-6BB488035A49D24E. There is an unattributed PDF on the NCPedia website that makes the claim: https://ncpedia.org/printpdf/55. But the actual NCPedia entry for Jackson, taken from the Dictionary of North Carolina Biography, does not make it: https://ncpedia.org/jackson-andrew-unc-press-dncb.
I have looked at several biographies—by Robert V. Remini, John S. Bassett, James Partin, and William B. Sumner—for substantiation. I have found none. This looks to be a myth. Malachi Mulligan (talk) 17:33, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Cheathem (2014) does not attribute a cause of death, just "He died around the time a third son, his namesake, was born on 15 March 1767." citing Remini, AJ, 1:33; Law license, 26 September 1787, in PAJ, 1:10–11; Ely and Brown, Legal Papers of Andrew Jackson, xxxvi.
Curtis, Andrew Jackson and the search for vindication, (1976) says: "Having survived the arduous ocean crossing and the long trek to Carolina, Elizabeth's husband died suddenly while working on the new homestead. His son would later claim that he 'died like a hero in battle, fighting for his wife and babes; fighting an uphill battle against poverty and adversity as no one in our generation could comprehend.' Perhaps local custom embellished this accident. More likely, Jackson sorely missed a father and needed to construct and believe in such a heroic death." Mom was living with sister when President AJ was born. The Internet Archive version doesn't include any footnote that I can see just a three-page essay on sources.
I'd remove this claim. Nowland is published by McFarland & Company, who is usually considered to be pretty reliable. But - I've found similar instances in some of their books where some of the referencing is just odd, such as a Civil War book citing a web forum. If nothing else has this, this should be considered spurious. My opinion of McFarland is dropping. Hog FarmTalk19:44, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I believe the sentence found in the article regarding Jackson's statement of wanting to hang Clay and shoot Calhoun should be reversed with the actual statement being that he wanted to shoot Clay and hang Calhoun PrisonersPrisoners (talk) 20:41, 9 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
So you hear a lot about 45-47 being the first president w a criminal record but I think "assault w intent to kill" is a felony? Does State of Tennessee v. Andrew Jackson (1807) warrant a mention? See papers of Andrew Jackson vol 2. pp 172–175. He was acquitted.
I pushed this live bc I'm seeing assault w attempt to kill, contempt of court, and obstruction of justice, and I know there's umpteen civil lawsuits between him and the local gentry. I think it's notable and in line with existing content but we will see! jengod (talk) 05:17, 11 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
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Andrew Jackson photographed at age 78.