Talk:Keter

This page was proposed for deletion by Iskandar323 (talk · contribs) on 28 July 2022 with the comment:
Minor esoteric religious subject with no real evidence of substantial scholarly coverage as a topic in its own right outside of the discussion of the "sefirot", where it is already covered.
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This wikipedia page is exclusionary and laden with jargon. For those who are not educated in Jewish theology and philosophy, this page doesn't even begin to explain what "Keter" means. Someone should make a concerted effort to provide at least a cursory explanation for the uninitiated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.231.47.23 (talk) 18:03, 6 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

What are you talking about?! There isn't one work of kabbalah that I'm aware of that relates Malkhut to evil. It actually refers to spiritual completion and harmonious unity within complex structures (complex in that they consist of many variegated aspects). Please don't write information that is based on speculation/lack of knowledge/unaccepted sources (many kabbalah books and classes out there are not considered authoritative as they either radically depart from or misstate classic kabbalistic ideas. The kabbala center is a good example of a non-authoritative source). (I'll take this all back and apologize, if you can come up with an authoritative source). HKT 19:58, 11 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm aware of the refference of Malkuth repersenting evil. Its a very very very vague concept and extremely far from the main stream. In the yetzirah it says that a sepiroth has a "depth of evil" but There is no conclusive document such as the bahir, zohar, raziel, or yetzirah that indicates that malkuth is the evil sepiroth beyond the conjectural so I removed it.

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Da'ath and keter?

"Da'at and Keter are the same sefirah from two different aspects. From one aspect this sefirah is referred to Keter and from another aspect it is referred to as Da'at. Therefore when Da'at is counted then Keter is not counted and when Keter is counted Da'at is not counted." I could not find any justifcation for this reasoning, nor was non provided. I have never seen this represented from any of the classical jewish documents, nor hermetic, rosicrusian or otherwise. Thusly, i am removing it. If you can give a legitiment source. Then by all means, place it back in. However, its importent to remember that sourcing is importent. JaynusofSinope

I have not seen this take before either. It might exist as a valid alternative interpretation. However, it is not the main view. I agree with you. I know Da'ath as the (sometimes) eleventh sephiroth. __meco 10:01, 28 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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why are the sources divided into jewish and non-jewish? what relevance does that have? and how are dion fortune and israel regardie not judaic writers? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Harlequence (talk • contribs) 20:20, 8 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The interests of Fortune et al. in Kabbalistic thought came mainly through Theosophical interests which in turn came from Hermetic Qabalah and Christian Cabala, both of which emerged as offshoots of Jewish Kabbalah in the renaissance. (People use the first letter to keep track). After they split, Qaballah in particular became deliberately synctretic, incorporating Greek pagan elements, Western astrology, etc, and increasingly diverged from the developments in Judaism which resulted in the near-canonical Lurianic Kabbalah on the one hand and interpretations like the Golden Dawn's on the other. This babel-like drift has led to a great deal of confusion in introductory documents as meanings diverged, as evidenced elsewhere in this talk page. Though Regardie was Jewish, and Fortune may or may not have been, their interpretations of the meaning of terms was firmly through the (valid) Hermetic lens, so it makes sense to treat their thought separately along with the thoughts of others who conceptualised the sefirot in a such a (valid) way. Maybe it's not the best section title, but this paragraph of boring text would make a poor one too. Zaza9147 (talk) 09:50, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

keter is the eye we are missing called kether in greek myth. everything that the olympians are tryig to get to into telling us about who are and were we belong. THE language is all the same but in signs and no one is watching them, watching the actions of each human of different language was how to get to the answer. instead everyone fighting for ground and oils and food and things that wont matter soon if they dont learn to exist with each other. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.171.163.214 (talk) 04:02, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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