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On 6 January 2020, it was proposed that this article be moved to Gangwon Province. The result of the discussion was keep.

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The duplicated notice by Sewing was moved to Talk:Dispute over the name Sea of Japan, not to make discussion scattered over Wikipedia.

The above unsigned comment was added by Nanshu. --Sewing 16:32, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Multiple Gangwons

We have separate articles for 강원특별자치도, one at Kangwon (for the North Korean portion), and one at Gangwon (for the South Korean portion). We don't have a separate article for the Joseon-era province, but it seems fairly obvious that we should, along the lines of Jeolla, Chungcheong, Hamgyong, etc. Since Kangwon and Gangwon represent the same Korean word, and are often used interchangeably to refer to either the North or South Korean provinces, I propose to:

1. Move Gangwon to Gangwon, South Korea

2. Move Kangwon to Kangwon, North Korea

3. Make Gangwon and Kangwon into disambiguation pages, one possibly redirecting to the other.

4. Create Gangwon (Joseon) for the historical/geographical entity which was once one of the Eight Provinces of Korea.

Seems like this would straighten things out a lot. Certainly information the Joseon-era province doesn't belong in the article on the South Korean province, where it is now. Comments? -- Visviva 11:33, 19 July 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hearing no objections... 1 & 2 done. -- Visviva 08:26, 24 August 2005 (UTC)[reply]

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Requested move 6 January 2020

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved — Amakuru (talk) 12:04, 14 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

– No disambiguation is needed. The disambiguation page Gangwon can do well without blah blah Province. And their WP:Hatnotes can provide the link to each other's counterpart page. Sawol (talk) 11:21, 6 January 2020 (UTC) —Relisting. — Amakuru (talk) 12:27, 27 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Strongly oppose second Revised Romanization is relatively new and hasn't completely replaced McCune–Reischauer for South Korean topics, both in Korea and abroad. I see where you are coming from, but this would lead to too much confusion. For example, where is Kangwon National University? Where was the film The Power of Kangwon Province set? ~~Undecided on first~~ Support first Sinobball (talk) 17:50, 9 January 2020 (UTC) Sinobball (talk) 21:33, 7 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes, you're right. Your concern is solved by the disambiguation page Gangwon having redirect Kangwon. Redirects Gangwon Province and Kangwon Province are under excessive enforcement. For example, Lo Wu and Luohu, Serakhs and Sarakhs, Valka and Valga, Guben and Gubin, etc. are using WP:Hatnotes to overcome the confusion. Sawol (talk) 04:33, 8 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

You have found some very interesting examples! Since Korean is not a Latin-based language, I don't think we can use examples from Europe for comparison. With Iran and Turkmenistan, the written script is different. Luo Wu and Luohu are romanized from different dialects (some say languages), Cantonese and Mandarin respectively. Where our case differs is that Kangwon used to be the romanization for the South Korean province as well. I feel like I can support the first move because North Korea never officially used the RR system, just like Hong Kong never officially used pinyin. But the second move is bad. For example, this article from November 2019 writes: "South Korea’s nationals are only allowed to gamble at Kangwon Land casino resort (pictured) in an upland area of Kangwon province – 150 kilometres (93 miles) from the country’s capital Seoul." Kangwon Land is in South Korea. Sinobball (talk) 17:37, 9 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Sinobball: You made no comment on the disambiguation page Gangwon and WP:Hatnotes guideline. Sawol (talk) 06:27, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We can move the South Korean province to Gangwon Province and leave a hatnote for both Gangwon Province (historical) (which should be renamed to Gangwon Province (pre-1945) or something more precise in my opinion) and Kangwon Province (North Korea). Gangwon be a redirect for Gangwon Province. The current disambiguation page should be moved to Gangwon (disambiguation) or Kangwon. Sinobball (talk) 14:08, 11 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Gangwon Province, South Korea → Gangwon Province (South Korea)
Kangwon Province (North Korea) → Kangwon Province

Thanks. --Garam (talk) 17:13, 19 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

No problems with Cheorwon County and Chorwon County. Sawol (talk) 10:13, 29 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose. Unreliable transliterations, a definite reduction is recognizability. —SmokeyJoe (talk) 08:49, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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"Kogen Province, South Korea" listed at Redirects for discussion

The redirect Kogen Province, South Korea has been listed at redirects for discussion to determine whether its use and function meets the redirect guidelines. Readers of this page are welcome to comment on this redirect at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2023 November 8 § Kogen Province, South Korea until a consensus is reached. Konno Yumeto 02:45, 8 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Changing title of page to Gangwon State

As per the Gangwon provincial office, the name of the region has been changed from Gangwon province to Gangwon State. This occured in June 2023. This is the official english name, despite the literal korean translation not directly ranslating to state. Would it therefore be possible for someone higher up than me to change the name of the page to Gangwon State?

https://state.gwd.go.kr/eng/introduce/GovernorOffice Ben (talk) 07:11, 16 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]