Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sunbul Effendi

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The result of the debate was - kept - SimonP 19:12, May 13, 2005 (UTC)

Sunbul Effendi

Notability not established. A grand total of 1 Google hit, see [1]. I tried variations on his name but they seem to be mirrors in Turkish and may not be the same person. JamesBurns 04:42, 4 May 2005 (UTC)

Comment - I do not think it is a good idea for wikipedians who know little about another country or culture to start proposing articles from that culture or country for deletion. As per the nomination by this same user for a Malaysian related article (Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Jiwang), the user had made no attempt to discuss with wikipedians potenatially familiar with the topic as to whether the article was notable or not. Search engines are very likely to be biased against non-English subjects and it is not a useful test. To limit one's research to Google is unlikely to produce a good result. In an attempt to do my bit against countering {{WP:Bias|wikipedian bias]] I have left a note on the discussion of each user page listed under Wikipedia:Wikipedians/Turkey as there appears to be no Turkish project page.--AYArktos 00:51, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

Further comment -I think there is a significant transcription issue with the spelling in the article. I suspect that the text I have copied below from the Turkish Ministry for Culture web page on mausoleums etc around Istanbul refers to the same person as the article.

Apart from the above, there are also a number of tombs in Istanbul belonging to historic personages who really lived and these tombs are visited like the tombs of the saints. The most striking of these is the tomb of Sheikh Vefa (d. 1491 ) in the Vefa district. Next to the Koca Mustafa Paşa Mosque is the tomb of Sümbül Sinan Efendi, a member of the Halvetiye Order, who died in 1529, that of Merkez Efendi (d.1552) in Yenikapı, of Karacaahmed in Üsküdar, of Emir Buharî (d.1516) in Fatih and the tomb of the then Sheikh-ul Islam Zembelli Ali Efendi (d. 1526) on the lower side of the Zeyrek Kilise (church) Mosque.

It would however be useful if somebody with more authority on Turkish or Islamic matters could confirm they are one and the same before I edit the article on the basis of this information --AYArktos 01:08, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

The correct spelling would be Sümbül Efendi (alternate Sünbül Efendi). http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&q=%22S%C3%BCmb%C3%BCl+efendi%22&btnG=Search returns 169 results. MonsterOfTheLake 03:04, 9 May 2005 (UTC) PS: Along with alternate spellings like Sümbül Efendi, Sünbül Efendi, Şeyh Sümbül, Sümbül Sinan, Sünbül Sinan etc. I'd say it's keepable. MonsterOfTheLake 03:09, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - on the basis of clarifying information from User:MonsterOfTheLake (a turkish speaker) - this article is on a notable person who died in 1529 and whose tomb is a notable place to visit in Istanbul. The article needs to be redirected to Sümbül Efendi perhaps with reference to the alternate Sünbül Efendi- a seemingly more widely accepted transcription of his name from arabic script to European script. --AYArktos 08:57, 9 May 2005 (UTC)

• Keep - The problem of transliteration and it being a subject not cared about too much in the English speaking world makes google wholely unreliable. gren 04:38, 10 May 2005 (UTC)
• Delete, not notable enough. Iam 06:20, May 12, 2005 (UTC)

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