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Bluffing in other games

"Since a successful bluff requires deceiving one's opponent, it occurs only in games where the players conceal information from each other. In games like chess and backgammon where both players can see the same board, they should simply make the best legal move available." This is not true. Chess for example, is a complete knowledge game in theory, but not in practice. The players can in theory see all the board and all future options. In practice, however, how much of the intricacies of the board, and the many potential futures that they can see are limited. The very best human players only see a few moves into the future. Therefore bluffs can and are used in such games. A chess player may see a weakness of his own defense, for example, but try to portray himself in a position of strength. They are bluffing, hoping that the other player does not see the same weakness. I have done this myself. Bottom line-- bluffing is often used in games like chess where all game information is freely available to both players. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.158.61.142 (talk) 14:45, 7 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, in Backgammon the doubling cube can be used as a bluff. 67.150.100.111 (talk) 20:35, 19 September 2009 (UTC)jimmyreno[reply]

Hm. In backgammon, it's possible to use the cube to exploit an opponent's tendency to accept or reject a double too often or too rarely. I'm not sure this qualifies as a "bluff", though, even though it does often involve a move not justified by the math. PhGustaf (talk) 21:00, 19 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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When there are lots of jargon terms under a single context, it makes sense to title the articles with a context in parens, because the software makes it easy to interlink among them (and a title like "poker bluff" is awkward and unnatural anyway, so it's no better. I plan to fix this whole section. --LDC

What are "quads"?

Four of a kind. - furrykef (Talk at me) 14:44, 14 Feb 2005 (UTC)

Bluffing frequency: the article states that "The exact ideal bluffing frequency in each game situation is a complicated exercise in game theory that you will not be able to solve at the table, so you may have to rely on rules of thumb, prior analysis, experience, and intuition." David Sklansky, in his book The Theory of Poker, states that optimal bluffing frequency is such that the probability that your are bluffing is equal to the pot odds offered to your opponent. I agree that it's not really that simple, but Sklanky's notion is a widely known concept with mathematical underpinnings and may deserve a mention in the article.--Toms2866 15:39, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Article rewrite

I boldy rewrote the article. I removed a fair bit of content that, in my pov, appeared to be pov. I also aimed to remove 2nd person and to give the article a more "encyclopedic" tone. Feedback appreciated.--Toms2866 21:01, 30 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

disamb?

Respectfully, Bluff (the game) does not belong in this article. It's completely irrelevant to what a poker bluff is, unless it's the actual etymology; and if that's the case, it's not clear in the article. I'd suggest a header saying "this article refers to the act of bluffing (feigning strength); for the historical card game 'Bluff', go X.". But then we're left with a 2 line article on 'Bluff (the game)'. Thoughts?

I'm still new to this so haven't created my own topics yet, but just done some editing, so I'll leave it so someone else.Dirtyharry2 03:53, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think it should be left as it is until someone writes a moderately lengthy article about bluff, the game. The current content couldn't even be classed as a stub. --Hpesoj00 07:03, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Still, this section does not belong in the context of this article. I cannot find an article in which this section could belong, so I have moved the text in the section to its own article, Bluff (game), and added it to the disambig page. --Adhall 21:27, 11 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

What's the opposite?

I.e. what's it called if you have a strong hand but place a low bet (or merely check or call) to give the impression that you have a weaker hand? Can't this be a kind of bluff as well? -- Smjg (talk) 16:31, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's called sandbagging or slow play, which is also covered here. --LDC (talk) 21:16, 18 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Examples rewrite

I think the examples section needs a rewrite... Seems as if the multiple names and different writing styles complicates everything... mrmewe 14:49, 31 December 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrmewe (talk • contribs)

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Move suggestion from Bluff (poker) to Bluffing in games?

An old thread on this talk page mentioned "Bluffing in other games," and I just wanted to restart that discussion. Should this article be specifically called "Bluff (poker)"? The current article seems to claim that the term bluffing comes from poker, and then makes it seem like other games learned the concept from poker first (I don't know enough about poker to know the truth of this). But bluffing is a very common tactic/strategy in a lot of different games, and is sometimes a mechanic built into games, like social deduction games (which links to this wiki article). Half of the content in this article can already apply to different games, so poker could be moved to a subsection.

I suggest that this article name gets changed to something like "Bluffing in games" (alternatively, it could also be Bluff (strategy), Bluff (games), or Bluffing games). If editors think this should be kept as is, the topic is probably notable enough for its own article. Any suggestions/thoughts? - Whisperjanes (talk) 14:19, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]