Talk:Boston, Lincolnshire

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Obesity

Do we really have to have the part about Boston being the most obese town in England right at the top of the page, can we not at least pretend to be ashamed of it and hide it half way down the page or something. It doesn't exactly give off the best impression of a town which, to be honest, isn't any worse than the rest of the country. huckstep2006

• Ha, that's amusing since Boston, MA is one of the skinniest cities in America. Which is of course why our city gets the much coveted http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boston entry! Just kidding, much love from across the Atlantic. Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 01:47, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Page name

"Why can't the standard Boston redirect to Boston, Lincolnshire, as it is the oldest Boston in the World. Wikipedia is meant to be for people worldwide, not just Americans.Footballexpert 17:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)"

Probably becuase Boston, Lincolnshire doesn't even come close to the current and historical (American revolution) importance of Boston, Mass. It doesn't matter which one is older, if you ask most people around the world, I doubt they would know Boston in England even exists. Wikipedia directs to the definition of a word as it is most widely used around the world, and outside of Lincolnshire the word "Boston" almost always is associated with Boston, Mass. It's not Ameri-centric, it's just the way it is.

Shouldn't this be at either Boston, Lincolnshire or Boston, United Kingdom? john 09:47, 10 May 2004 (UTC)

Yes, the standard format is "Town, County". I have moved the page to this format. Joe D (t) 17:25, 20 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Why can't the standard Boston redirect to Boston, Lincolnshire, as it is the oldest Boston in the World. Wikipedia is meant to be for people worldwide, not just Americans.Footballexpert 17:35, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

I made a similar, though not quite as extreme, suggestion recently on Talk:Boston (disambiguation). I think the result was satsifactory, though someone since tried to undermine the change - since reverted to what was agreed or something very similar. SMeeds 18:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Is it? Not in this neck of the woods. Boston, Lincolnshire is noted worldwide for the Pilgrim Fathers, who were instrumental in the creation of what we today call the United States of America. Whereas Boston, Mass., is noted globally for being the setting for a rather pisspoor situation comedy set in a bar and nothing else.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.2.141.246 (talk) 18:01, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Are you retarded? Boston, Mass is the 21st largest municipality in the United States. It is the center of the 10th largest metropolitan area and the 5th largest Combined Statistical Area in the nation. It gives its name to BosWash, the largest Megapolitan area in the country, itself having a population of 55 million, making up for 18% of the country. It is a city that is known worldwide, and home to many of the top schools in the world, having Harvard and MIT just across the Charles in Cambridge. Everyone knows of Boston, Mass. NO ONE HAS HEARD OF BOSTON, LINCOLNSHIRE. Your pride is getting in the way of your view of reality. When people think of the Pilgrims, they think of them settling in Plymouth. Not some of them being from a small town in southeastern England. Boston, Mass is 20 times the size and, even being a newer city, has much more history. You simply have no reason to think that the small English town is more globally renowned than the major American city besides local pride. The foolishness you display by thinking that stuns me. It's simply insane. Quentinisgod (talk) 16:48, 29 January 2009 (UTC)

-- Seems a fairly typical uneducated US opinion. Call someone a "retard" if they don't think your 200 year old nation is the most important place on the planet. A compromise would be to have Boston redirect to a disambiguation page and then users can make their mind up what they want to look at. Your capitalisation in the middle of your paragraph illustrates your pathetic viewpoint. Acknowledge history, it started thousands of years ago, and despite what your poor education may have you believe the world's history does not start in the 1800's. Oh, and if you are going to make comments about a place's geography you should really know that Boston, Lincs is not in the South East of England. But then I expect you think the same as most of the idiots in the US that Iraq is just below France. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.196.160.43 (talk) 17:34, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

by the way boston is in the southeast qaurter of england —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.96.200.208 (talk) 00:51, 24 May 2011 (UTC)

Boston, Lincolnshire lies on the eastern coast, just above the Wash, in a region of the UK known as the "East Midlands". Moving south along the coast, you pass through "East Anglia" (the counties of Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex) before hitting London, Kent and Sussex (which lie in the "South East" region).GrahamSmith (talk) 08:01, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

And you are a typical British elitist, believing yourself to hold a higher class than the rest of the world. You had an empire for centuries, effectively enslaving people all over the planet. You neglect the fact that Boston (and believe me, every human being who does not live in Lincolnshire knows what city I speak of when I say this name) and the area around it are home to several of the most prestigious universities not only in the United States, but in the world. You see a feeble education in the Northeastern United States. I see a worldly view. I don't think the United States is the center of the world. Not the way you view your tiny, powerful country. The fact of the matter is that there is no argument you could present to convince anyone that Boston, Lincolnshire is the best known Boston. That viewpoint is not only extremely biased. It is downright stupid. You're making a fool of yourself while you target my education. Do you realize that almost every British city (and term) gets the title on this website? And then you complain about something that should not even warrant an argument? Ask someone in any other part of Europe where Boston is. They will tell you it's in America.Quentinisgod (talk) 20:45, 23 October 2010 (UTC)

Help needed/Todo

Copyedit

Working on it. Zerbey 00:15, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sorry guys, I messed up and added a citation that is obviously in the wrong format. Can you fix it? This guy I introduced to the references is a renowed urban historian and, on the book cited, he mentions that "[The port of Kingston-upon-Hull had] the third largest payment to royal customs revenues from 1279 to 1290, exceeded only by London and Boston" (Morris AEJ 1979, pp.101) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Pedrojpinto (talk • contribs) 07:45, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

I have fixed up for you. Keith D (talk) 14:20, 27 February 2011 (UTC)

20th and 21st century history

I've had a hard time finding solid information on this (I wish my Father had an internet connection!), anyone care to volunteer to update this area? Zerbey 00:15, 29 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sites of Interest

Needs a huge expansion, especially the May Day.

Derivation of the name 'Holland'

I've removed the reference to the name Holland deriving from the visitations of Dutch drainage engineers - this simply isn't true. Southeastern Lincolnshire was called 'Holland' (actually, Hoiland) as least as far back as the Domesday Book, and thus the name far predates the draining of the Fens. The Oxford English Dictionary (in a secondary reference) gives the derivation as HOLL (deeply excavated or depressed) + LAND (as opposed to HOLT (wood) + LAND for the province of the Netherlands). TheVenerableBede

Thanks for clearing that up. I need to find the book I got that information out of and burn it. Zerbey 15:38, 14 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Images

I did some re-processing of Kelly's photos. They were taken using a cheap 35mm camera so weren't the best quality to begin with! Next time we visit Boston we'll take some better images with a better camera... in the mean time would someone who is not 4,500 miles away like to volunteer to improve these? :-) Zerbey July 5, 2005 16:29 (UTC)

Date of the bridge

I have reverted the date of the new bridge with other cleaning up. My memory is that the 1953 date is more accurate than 1963 but I was away from the town over that period so am not sure. (RJP 16:05, 22 November 2006 (UTC))

I think it was 1963 but I could be mistaken, a quick Google search didn't reveal much. I'll ask one of my family members to look on Saturday if you like. Zerbey 22:53, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Consensus is that it was 1963, but I'm trying to get documentary proof. Zerbey 15:16, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

Basil Brush moment

Boom Boom! "The early medieval geography of The Fens was much more fluid than it is today." I thought that that was the point of fenland, that they contained large amounts of fluid. Brendandh 21:30, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

True, but silly as it may seem, the fact is often overlooked, particularly once the land has been drained. :-) (RJP 23:14, 31 January 2007 (UTC))

Wait, your Boston also has a region called "The Fens"? Ours is certainly home to a great deal of "fluid" with fresh contributions made nigh every night, despite the BPD vice's attempts to "drain" it... Wormwoodpoppies (talk) 01:55, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Redirect FYI

Just a note, there is apparently another edit war in process as to whether Boston should redirect to Boston, Massachusetts or to the disambiguation page. It is currently pointing at the disambiguation page. I've created an RFD. Enjoy.--Bobblehead 18:37, 4 March 2007 (UTC)

Blogs

Blogs don't count as verifiable sources, and (except in specific and fairly exceptional circumstances) aren't acceptable as external links. --Mel Etitis (Talk) 10:37, 12 March 2007 (UTC)

FYI

Figured I'd notify editors on this page regarding a move request to move Boston (disambiguation) to Boston since someone put a notice on the Boston, Massachusetts talk page. See this discussion. --Bobblehead ^(rants) 19:14, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Pronunciation

My browser (Opera) cannot find the program necessary to open the file with the pronunciation. It should be given using IPA symbols, and perhaps put in another file that is easier to open. 66.234.220.195 (talk) 20:25, 24 February 2008 (UTC)

A requested move: Boston, Massachusetts -> Boston

Hi, we've got a move request over at Talk:Boston, Massachusetts. Since Boston already redirects to Boston, Massachusetts, I really doubt that the existence of Boston, Lincolnshire would in anyway affect the outcome of that discussion. Regardless, I leave the notice here for thoroughness.--Loodog (talk) 23:56, 20 October 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the note, I've added a note on the talk page disscuion over the 'water' that I oppose it on the basis that Boston Lincolnshire can claim prior use of the name. But for easiers usage by readers Boston should point to the Disambiguation page instead of Boston, Massachusetts. - BulldozerD11 (talk) 01:40, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

Taverner

No mention of John Taverner? Probably the most important person linked to Boston (though you wouldn't guess it from his article either! hmm. will fix that later too ...). Tobermory (talk) 12:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

• I have requested a move in a section below Homan's Copse (talk) 19:49, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Speedy close, WP:POINT nomination. Nilfanion (talk) 12:36, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

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Boston, Lincolnshire → Boston — As this is the English section of the encyclopedia, I would have thought that this page should be the prime topic. I hadn't even heard of the city untill I was looking for the English town on this encyclopedia Homan's Copse (talk) 19:48, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. Clearly WP:POINT. The suggested move is not for the primary use of the name. Yes, the is the English version of Wikipedia, but that does not mean that only British uses can be primary topics. There are other places that use the English language, like that small place across the pond that, I think is called America and Australia. Vegaswikian (talk) 21:22, 25 October 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - Have you heard of tea? --Ykraps (talk) 22:35, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - Boston, Massachusetts is far more notable and should have the main title. Dough4872 22:47, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - Sorry, but Boston over the pond is almost certainly the primary topic here. Jeni ^(talk) 23:06, 25 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose Boston, Massachusetts is much more famous, even in the UK. The Celestial City (talk) 00:57, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - Boston, Lincs might well have been the primary topic in the 17th century but today Boston, Mass is clearly the primary topic. Green Giant (talk) 02:33, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• Support I don't think that there would be many people looking for the city on the English encyclopedia as they probably would be on the language for the city even though the city is probably a lot more important and famous. I also would have thought that if the English town does not warrant to be the prime topic, then there shouldn't be a prime topic. Homan's Copse (talk) 10:12, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
  • As the nominator, your support is implied. Powers ^T 12:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose is this an effin joke? DC T•C 11:56, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• Speedy close. See Homan Copse's comment at Talk:Dover#Requested move; it's almost identical to the nomination here. Clearly a violation of WP:POINT. Powers ^T 12:04, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose and speedy close. Boston, Massachusetts is the clear primary topic here. PC78 (talk) 12:08, 26 October 2010 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Improvement

I'm in two minds about nominating this for a GA. I think it needs a good cleanup first.--Robert EA Harvey (talk) 10:28, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

Economy section - deleted sentence

I have deleted this reference to the Boston Crown Post Office building because I am not sure what has become of it, nearly 12 months after the move out to WH Smith. (I am not local to Boston, visited it on holiday as child.)

This move will leave one of Boston's most iconic buildings empty hopefully not for long though.

Cloptonson (talk) 21:26, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Sources for future article expansion

This was listed in a "Further Reading" section (generally a bad idea) with no guide as to its relevance, importance, or current validity (completely bad idea). Kindly restore it once/if it is being used to source statements in the article's running text:

• Howells, William Dean (1909), "Mother of the American Athens", Seven English Cities, New York: Harper & Brothers.

Also,

• still more info in the EB9 and EB11 articles.

 — LlywelynII 15:54, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Box info

Cannot find 'Police' for instance in the box -- for editing. A mystery.--Brenont (talk) 23:53, 5 June 2016 (UTC)

This is automatically produced as part of the template depending on the values supplied in other fields. Keith D (talk) 11:08, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Populations

According to the article: 2001 census 35000, 2011 census 64000. Really!? The population all-but doubled in 10 years!? Surely this cannot be right. If the 2 census areas are different (probably) there needs to be some explanation of the stats given. Boscaswell talk 04:04, 18 June 2019 (UTC)

@Boscaswell: One's probably for the town or unparished area while the other is probably for the district, this seems to have been clarified now. Crouch, Swale (talk) 21:23, 15 November 2022 (UTC)

The Demography section states "This is 9.1% higher than the 64,600 reported in the 2011 Census when the population was around 64,600." which is redundant. This should be updated to "This is 9.1% higher than the 64,600 reported in the 2011 Census." or "This is 9.1% higher than the 2011 Census when the population was around 64,600." OgreDee (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

What's stopping you? Murgatroyd49 (talk) 16:43, 29 March 2024 (UTC)

Information needs adding to the 'Destinations' section of the article.

In my opinion, information needs adding to the 'Destinations' section of the article as it is currently empty. Xboxsponge15 (talk) 11:31, 27 November 2019 (UTC)

Boston-related AfD

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Haven Village may interest watchers of this page. PamD 12:28, 29 October 2024 (UTC)