Talk:Heliopolis (ancient Egypt)

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Graham, Mark & Hogan, Bernie (December 31, 2013). "Uneven openness: Barriers to MENA representation on Wikipedia". Oxford Internet Institute. Retrieved 2024-08-28. The combination of these issues was well expressed in one editor's story of Heliopolis. Very little survives from the Ancient city of Heliopolis. One of the largest remaining artefacts is the Al-Masalla obelisk. The editor created an article about the city and gave the coordinates of the obelisk. Later, another editor (from America) moved the geocode location of the obelisk several miles away, citing a book published in the 1930s with the location of the obelisk. The editor retorted by saying that he knew where the obelisk ought to be since it was right outside his window. Yet, because American editor had a source material and the Egyptian editor did not, it took some time and help from additional Wikipedians to rectify the geocode.{{cite news}}: CS1 maint: multiple names: authors list (link)

Annu

Could someone explain this please?

Due to the significance of the city in ancient times, it gained the title The great house of Annu (as opposed to The great house of pillars).

What does "Annu" mean and where does it come from? Is this just a variant of "Iunu"? Most importantly, what text refers to "The Great House of Annu"? This all seems very dubious to me. —Nefertum17 20:11, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how that line got into the article, but it seems to be nonsense. Annu is simply another way of transcribing Iunu (prabably Aunu mistyped). I think the paragraph should be cleaned up, so as to remove any uncertainty. It looks like it comes from someone who has read a book on the subject, rather than someone familiar with a basic understanding of Egyptian. --Gareth Hughes 22:27, 25 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gareth. I have removed it and replace it with something somewhat related. — Nefertum17 04:44, 26 May 2005 (UTC)[reply]

'Annu' is still there with the hierogyphs (right top).

Why was the city abandoned?

Interestingly "Iunu" means pillars

touregypt.net has several references to Heliopolis being called "Annu." I wonder if the person who originally put it in was citing that: [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.47.146.177 (talk) 17:54, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Separate article for modern suburb and ancient city?

Should there be a separate article for the modern suburb of Heliopolis and the ancient, historically-significant "sun city"? If they are located in slightly different places, as the article seems to imply then this is a good reason to me. Donama 05:11, 28 February 2006 (UTC) ......your comments on this?[reply]

Good idea... I don't know much about the locational aspects, but a lot can be written about modern heliopolis in its own right. I vote yes.Don Cardo 21:02, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the Heliopolis article should be a disambig and have two other articles (Heliopolis (ancient) and Heliopolis (modern)) or should ancient Heliopolis be in this article and we make Heliopolis (modern) be the article about the suburb today? Donama 23:34, 8 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps it would be good to make that distinction. Depends (and I'm quite new to all this) if one falls under 'Ancient Egypt' as a category and the other is under Egyptian Cities/Cairo districts... Ancient times' Heliopolis is before Cairo existed as we know it... Modern Heliopolis is part of it.

We must have one discrete topic per article and where there are two topics for one word (eg. Heliopolis) either the most common use of the word is put into the article using the "Article name" as the title and the less common topic uses something like "Article name (other use)" for its title. So what we need to decide here is if information about ancient Heliopolis deserves the title "Heliopolis" because it is the more common topic? Donama 01:55, 13 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have very little doubt that ancient Heliopolis deserves the "Heliopolis" title. "Heliopolis (Cairo District) or (Modern)" can be another article. Does anybody disagree with this? Don Cardo

Two articles and a disambiguation page to point people to the correct page would do surely? Markh 12:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In fact there is a dab page, so that shoul be moved to this page. Markh 13:00, 24 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Egyptian name?

Heliopolis doesn't sound like the name of an Ancient Egyptian city. Is it the Greek/Roman name or is that what it was called by the Pharaohs?

I don't know, but that's what I think of when someone says the word. I guess it was called this by the Greeks in ancient times, but Iunu/Annu could be the more accurate name. Perhaps this article should go there?? Donama 02:11, 9 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Good point. It was actually named after the Greek god Helios by Actis, one of his sons according to Diodorus Siculus. I have added a description in the article. Odysses (₪) 13:22, 28 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Alright, can we please stop having articles with Greek names for Egyptian cities?? And besides "Heliopolis (ancient)" would surely apply to a number of cities (e.g. Baalbek). This article should be renamed "Iunu". Cush (talk) 19:17, 24 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Good point about Heliopolis (ancient) being a terrible dab. (Saw that and fixed it already but nice to have the support.) You're wrong about the name, though. There's nothing wrong with Ptolemaic names for Egyptian cities and it's far and away the thing's common English name. Fine if you want to split out the earlier settlement into a Iunu article and only deal with the Ptolemaic and Roman city here, though. —

Llywelyn II

14:52, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for carrying out this move, LlywelynII. Heliopolis is certainly the most widely used name in English for the city in all periods of its history. Stephen Quirke refers to the city as Iunu throughout his book on Ra, but no other Egyptological source I know of uses that name regularly.

I don't think there would be any point in splitting the article. The Temple of Ra may have still been a famous center of priestly knowledge in Ptolemaic times, but it was already in decline then. In Roman times, I'm not sure the city had any importance except as a source of obelisks for the Romans to cart away. Even Memphis, by far the dominant city in the region, was in decline by then, and the major Roman presence in the area was at Babylon Fortress, several miles south of Heliopolis. A. Parrot (talk) 18:24, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! —

Llywelyn II

22:22, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Modern Style References require buildin decryption

Readability for this markup should be inherrent to this type of complexity of involved hypertext to cause this hyroglyph:

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Annu
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- which prints as : hiero|Annu|

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|align=right|era=egypt, im asking for buildin links to all of its Object oriented learned methods Togo 21:19, 5 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what you're trying to say but we should just give the main form of the name in the infobox and provide variants in the notes or at Wiktionary. —

Llywelyn II

22:57, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Current site of Ancient Heliopolis & Modern Heliopolis

Ancient Heliopolis is very near to Modern heliopolis and was not in the Nile Delta. ancient heliopolis is now Ain Shams area and Matarriyah area (which contain the remnants of the temples of Senusert III, only an Oblisk is left) which is 1-2 kilometers from the modern heliopolis and Actualy Ain Shams district has the same border with modern heliopolis district. And this is south of the Delta by more than 10 kilometers.--Ashashyou (talk) 19:57, 6 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"city of destruction"

The Septuagint calls Heliopolis/Anu/On the "City of Righteousness." -- But that would be the version the hebrews(6 wise men from the 12 tribes) provided to Philadelphus. The Book was an expression of gratitude to Philadelphus for freeing all Hebrews from captivity in egypt and providing 'recompense' to the temple!

I guess its a moot point, I can't beleive the "City of Obelisks" has none, save for one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:5:CE80:91:E04E:DC62:4FDC:5CFA (talk) 23:53, 1 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps you shoul chek these links to find where the obilisks has gone!!! [2], [3]--Ashashyou (talk) 18:13, 3 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

WP:ERA

Per this edit, the usage of the article was set as BC/AD. Kindly maintain it consistently pending a new consensus to the contrary. — $Llywelyn II$ 22:59, 24 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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