Talk:Lenin's Mausoleum

A fact from Lenin's Mausoleum appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 27 April 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Boris Yeltsin wanted to remove the body of Vladimir Lenin from public display in Lenin's Mausoleum but failed to achieve his goal while in power?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2004/April.

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"Whoses wishes" should be "who wished" --92.22.55.202 (talk) 18:51, 11 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Lenin's Tomb" is 3x more common than "Lenin's mausoleum" according to Google, which accords to my personal sense of which is most common, but I invite discussion before moving it back. Stan 21:49, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

"lenin's tomb" 6,570

"lenin's mausoleum" 2,240

"lenin mausoleum" 6,820

It should be "lenin mausoleum" not just because it gets the most hits, but because it returns which looks like the official homepage as well http://www.lenin.ru/index_e.htm and overall, the sites look better than with "lenin's tomb". Mrdice 22:00, 2004 Feb 26 (UTC)

but without quotes:

<Lenin tomb> = 36,300

<Lenin mausoleum> = 12,500

Probably there's some odd sort of add-the-s, don't-add-the-s Google algorhythm thing going on, and also some effect of counting non-English and non-idiomatically-translated-into-English sites. My perception agrees with the "raw count": Lenin's Tomb is what this is usually called in English. - Nunh-huh 22:09, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, I've now seen what looks the the official home page, which uses "Lenin Mausoleum". We do often use a common but unofficial name, the classic example being Bill Clinton, who doesn't actually appear that way in his official Whitehouse bio [1]. (BTW, Google results are not accurate enough for 6500 vs 6800 to be meaningful, only 2x or greater differences are not skewed by the chaos that is the web today.) Stan 22:23, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Although it bothered me a bit when I wrote the first article today that it was called "Lenin's Tomb" and not "Mausoleum", I did not think much of it. However, now that I see that the debate has sprung, I'd support the idea of moving it to "Lenin's Mausoleum". It is called "Mavzolej Lenina" in Russian, and "Mausolée de Lénine" in French (although I've also heard "Tombeau de Lénine", i.e. "Lenin's Tomb"), and I reckon it makes more sense to call it "Lenin's Mausoleum" than "Tomb" in English, even if this implies disregarding Google search results numbers. - F. Delpierre 22:53, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

But it should not ignore actual English usage. The article belongs where English-speaking people expect to find it, not where we would extrapolate they "should" expect to find it based on French and Russian usages. The decision should be made on the basis of actual English usage. - Nunh-huh 23:01, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Apart from whether it's a good idea or not, I don't think it's an actual wikipedia policy, and it certainly isn't widely obeyed. Most people would search for Lenin, yet the article is called Vladimir Lenin, most people would search for Burma, and yet the article is called Myanmar. Mrdice 23:09, 2004 Feb 26 (UTC)

As it seems, someone's already made the change & redirection, anyway. - User:F. Delpierre 23:05, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)

That was me. This talk page was created after that. Mrdice 23:11, 2004 Feb 26 (UTC)

Aleksei/Alexei/Alexey (Алексей)

I don't know if this is of any worth, but I did notice that the Russian name Aleksei/Alexei/Alexey (Алексей) is on this page written in three different ways. This might well be unimportant, but I thought I'd point it out. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.191.162.73 (talk) 00:38, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

The line

Is there really still a hour-long line to visit Mausoleum? Could anybody who was there recently confirm?

I saw it in 2003 and there was a long queue then, mabye not quite an hour but not far off. 1 hour could well be an accurate average figure, anyone have any accurate figure's? A quick google didn't come up with anything. Ed 20:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also visited in 2003 but did not have to queue at all. That was in winter, so maybe it would be better to say that queues can be long in tourist season? Breakfast1 13:45, 18 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links

I think TeaDrinker is wrong about http://www.vilenin.info/.

http://www.vilenin.info/ have voting about carrying out of a body of Lenin from the Mausoleum, except for that a site contains more than 586 comments of high quality with various estimations about Lenin's activity and the Mausoleum.

Please, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:TeaDrinker#Lenin.27s_Mausoleum

With respect, Aleksandr 82.208.121.130 22:05, 6 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Google Maps satellite photo

Wikimapia = Google Maps + Wiki technology. I think, link on Wikimapia is better then link on Google Maps.

Lenin Mausoleum

I can't see there virtual mausoleum with any VRML browser, I think virtual mausoleum was deleted or did not exist, other information on this site are not unique. I think, it is promo site to ParallelGraphics company

Moscow Life: A brief guide to Lenin's Mausoleum on Red Square, with public comments

Has very small content about Red Square, not Lenin's Mausoleum

With respect, 82.208.126.38 17:16, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I also find other links on www.moscow-life.com :

  1. http://www.moscow-life.com/culture/culture_details/31-Bolshoi_Theatre linked from Bolshoi Theatre
  2. http://www.moscow-life.com/culture/culture_details/59-State_Historical_Museum linked from State Historical Museum
  3. http://www.moscow-life.com/drink/pubs_cafes_details/11-Hungry_Duck linked from The Hungry Duck
  4. http://www.moscow-life.com/moscow/metro linked from Moscow Metro
  5. http://www.moscow-life.com/moscow/olympic-games linked from 1980 Summer Olympics
  6. http://www.moscow-life.com/moscow/red-square linked from Red Square
  7. http://www.moscow-life.com/moscow/seven-sisters linked from Seven Sisters (Moscow)
  8. http://www.moscow-life.com/play/entertainment_details/70-Gorky_Park linked from Gorky Park (Moscow)
  9. http://www.moscow-life.com/shop/shops_details/66-GUM linked from State Universal Store
 10. http://www.moscow-life.com/sleep/hotels_details/3-Hotel_Leningradskaya linked from Hotel Leningradskaya

I also deleted:

  1. http://www.moscow-life.com/culture/culture_details/31-Bolshoi_Theatre linked from Bolshoi Theatre
  2. http://www.moscow-life.com/culture/culture_details/59-State_Historical_Museum linked from State Historical Museum
  3. http://www.moscow-life.com/drink/pubs_cafes_details/11-Hungry_Duck linked from The Hungry Duck
  4. http://www.moscow-life.com/play/entertainment_details/70-Gorky_Park linked from Gorky Park (Moscow)
  5. http://www.moscow-life.com/shop/shops_details/66-GUM linked from State Universal Store
  6. http://www.moscow-life.com/sleep/hotels_details/3-Hotel_Leningradskaya linked from Hotel Leningradskaya

With respect, 82.208.126.38 17:41, 30 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

History

Just a question: When was that central tribune added atop? Early pictures show the leaders reviewing at the left side. Some sources say it was added in 1945. Others say 1941. Darth Sidious 22:18, 28 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Guard of Honour

Link's all wrong. AllStarZ 05:27, 30 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Photography

When I was in Moscow in 1994, there was no long lineup and photography was allowed, and you could keep your hands in your pockets if you wanted. This is different from 1991, when a guard yelled at me to keep my hands out of my pockets as I was trying to put a glove in there. (In Russian culture, holding your hands in your pockets is considered highly disrespectful.)

Did the situation with photography change? If not, a correct is in order. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 192.100.104.29 (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I just visited Lenin's mausoleum in March 2007. No photography was allowed. I already knew better than to have my hands in my pockets, but the guy in front of me in line was made to remove his hands from his pockets by a guard. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 208.180.251.176 (talk) 21:14, 27 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

It isn't disrespectful, it seems to me they just want to see if there is something in your hands (or your pockets) --V-VA 14:12, 2 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, according to Russian etiquette, it is disrespectful. But it is not particular to funerals. It's also considered disrespectful to fold your arms across your chest when talking to someone, for the same reason. The gestures imply impatience. --76.217.82.113 (talk) 23:31, 10 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if guards really want you to respect Lenin or not. And where did you find such information? Being a Russian even young enough I often do so, so anyone could rebuke me for it but nobody did. We are breaking with the traditions. I remember what my grandma said: if a child spoke during a meal, father stroke them with a spoon on the forehead. Makes me mad.--V-VA (talk) 10:09, 2 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm Russian and can tell you for sure that there is absolutely no such rule of ethiquette in modern Russia as not to hold one's hands in pockets, may be only if you really want to look proper and modest, as in a church. The guards simply afraid of that you can hold a bomb or a hammer in your pocket (there was such an accident in Soviet times) and may try to break the glass coffin of Lenin or do something else. Also, though it's debated, Lenin's body is considered a kind of unique cultural heritage, that's why it's guarded so much. As to the photography and video I don't know why it's disallowed, probably they afraid that you can throw your camera into Lenin or there's a machine gun hidden in it (kidding). Also the place is still somewhat sacred for the USSR men of power's posterity, who are still ruling the country, that's why Lenin is still in the tomb to scare foreign visitors. 80.255.155.17 (talk) 14:04, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Forever?

I've been wondering about this for years: The party and state Lenin founded are defunct and widely discredited. Why is this person's body (whatever remains of it) still enshrined in Red Square? Do a majority of Russians still revere Lenin? Will Lenin be there forever? Has Putin expressed a view on this?

Just asking. It seems weird. Sca (talk) 23:33, 22 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Putin has really expressed his point of view, you can see it on the Russian version.

He's been there so long that he has become a fixture- even if he is totally discredited he is a part of the square now.Saxophobia (talk) 00:21, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Defunct and widely discredited, ha. As a communist, I believe that Lenin's body should be on display as long as possible. A lot of people still believe in communism, and still would like to remeber the one who made it all happen.Spotty11222 (talk) 11:05, 18 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Vladimir Putin, opposed this, pointing out that a reburial of Lenin would imply that generations of citizens had observed false values during 70 years of Soviet rule.

— Goodness me, what a shocking suggestion! Sca (talk) 22:30, 18 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Bad or good karma...????

According to my encounters, all the reincarnations of those unburied bodies have had difficult lives and pains which should not be burdened on. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.14.152.15 (talk) 03:24, 11 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Sun_Yat-sen_Mausoleum#Where_is_National_Father.27s_body_located_truely....3F.3F.3F

but very lucky Starlin's reincarnations

the section claiming lenin might be fake seems quite odd to me. I never heard of such theories and it sound to me like original impression of a wikipedian. See [2] for proof. That picture could be added actually. 79.216.226.94 (talk) 05:05, 15 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Lenin's body temperature

The Wikipedia article mentions: "Lenin's sarcophagus is kept at a temperature of 61 degrees and kept at a humidity of 80 - 90 percent." Would this be 61 degrees Celsius or Fahrenheit? [ 212.246.213.162 (talk) 18:29, 3 January 2009 (UTC) ][reply]

Fahrenheit =) --Юе Артеміс (talk) 22:38, 7 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If it were kept at 61 Celsius, that would be 142 Fahrenheit -- probably a bit too warm for anybody's body. Sca (talk) 15:25, 20 November 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Videos

No photos or video are allowed, as well as no talking and no smoking in the tomb. There are no tickets to the tomb and the entrance is absolutely free of charge.

Do they allow special permits to allow documentaries to film the body? An episode of Life After People featured what I assume was video footage inside the tomb. Morhange (talk) 03:27, 29 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

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Article in Scientific American

This Scientific American review is a goldmine of information that could be used in this article. --DarTar (talk) 04:48, 3 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Wouldn't "(The) Lenin Mausoleum" be a better title ? (no genitive)

Shouldn't thearticle name rather be "The Lenin Mausoleum" or "Lenin Mausoleum" - as a name rather than a description. I doubt if the genitive form is necessary here, as it's a quite famous (infamous perhaps, but still) building. For many reasons. This suggestion shouldn't be interpreted in any direction, and is especially not about Lenin himself. Boeing720 (talk) 11:43, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]

What does "Moscow Marriott Grand concierge" mean?

The first sentence of the Lenin's Mausoleum today section reads, "The Mausoleum is open to the public on Tuesdays, Wednesdays, Thursdays, Saturdays and Sundays from 10:00–13:00, except holidays per the Moscow Marriott Grand concierge as of August 11, 2015." What does this mean? Davidelit (Talk) 03:10, 25 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]